Goku vs. Superman

[Sanger Zomvolt]

Is this thread serious? There is no need for a discussion at all since the answer is quite apparent to those familiar with both. (granted, this thread has yielded some good laughs)

If you pit one of the weaker versions of Superman, like the DCAU or the 1940s original versions of Superman against Goku, than of course Goku would win. Goku wouldn't have a chance against any of the major powerhouse versions, like the current Superman or Superboy-Prime. Expecially Superboy-Prime, who, unlike the traditional Superman, won't practice restraint in fights, (noted in his battles- or should I say massacres involving the Teen Titans and the Green Lantern Corps).

However, noting that this is an anime site, biases and inherent prejudices will be prevalent throughout this thread, as Goku will be preinclined to be chosen by fanboys. I doubt this thread will most likely yield any more intelligent discussions.

[Neon_Genesis]

Goku, hands down

[Yuri Volte Hyuga]

I swear to God this thread will never die, lol.

The reason it won't die is because Dragon X is being an ignorant, unreasonable, and irrational fanboy again.

Nah, that's more like Phoenix KNIGHT, lol.

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

And Zengar, I also said that a weakened Superman could be beaten by Goku, but the current Superman would clean his clocks. And I don't even wanna get started into Superboy Prime......

[Battousai The Manslayer]

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

That is not the case.

[Sanger Zomvolt]

I swear to God this thread will never die, lol.

The reason it won't die is because Dragon X is being an ignorant, unreasonable, and irrational fanboy again.

Nah, that's more like Phoenix KNIGHT, lol.

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

And Zengar, I also said that a weakened Superman could be beaten by Goku, but the current Superman would clean his clocks. And I don't even wanna get started into Superboy Prime......

Which is why I stated that I doubt this thread will most likely yield any more intelligent discussions, I did look over the past post and pages, and found the arguements to be quite sound. My post was primarily to introduce Superboy-Prime into the equation, as I didn't see him in any of the previous posts.

I do concur with the statement that Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman. However, he has shown that in past debates, he usually resorts to obstinately presenting his opinions as fact, refusing to bother with such trivial details such as evidence.

And to add on to the deconstruction of the so-called trump card, a.k.a. the Genki Dama (otherwise known as the Spirit Bomb), the slow energy gathering period would make it damn near impossible to charge up enough energy. It might be a tad bit hard to concentrate on gathering ki, when you are getting pummeled by a planet moving superhero.

[Yuri Volte Hyuga]

I swear to God this thread will never die, lol.

The reason it won't die is because Dragon X is being an ignorant, unreasonable, and irrational fanboy again.

Nah, that's more like Phoenix KNIGHT, lol.

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

And Zengar, I also said that a weakened Superman could be beaten by Goku, but the current Superman would clean his clocks. And I don't even wanna get started into Superboy Prime......

Which is why I stated that I doubt this thread will most likely yield any more intelligent discussions, I did look over the past post and pages, and found the arguements to be quite sound. My post was primarily to introduce Superboy-Prime into the equation, as I didn't see him in any of the previous posts.

I do concur with the statement that Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman. However, he has shown that in past debates, he usually resorts to obstinately presenting his opinions as fact, refusing to bother with such trivial details such as evidence.

And to add on to the deconstruction of the so-called trump card, a.k.a. the Genki Dama (otherwise known as the Spirit Bomb), the slow energy gathering period would make it damn near impossible to charge up enough energy. It might be a tad bit hard to concentrate on gathering ki, when you are getting pummeled by a planet moving superhero.

Alright, gotcha.

That is not the case.

Probably not, I just wanted to give Dragon X the benefit of the doubt.

[Battousai The Manslayer]

Actually, it wouldn't make a difference if Dragon X knew a lot about Superman or not because he would still be a stubborn fanboy. Remember the Escaflowne VS Gundam topic, Zengar?

[Dragon X]

I know a lot about superman> i've watched him since i was a kid. he has ice breathe.super strengh super speed. has very good hearing.oh and i'm not a fan of esclaflowme or gundams.Anyway superman would never survive the spirit bommb.I already explained why.

[Dragon X]

here's why Goku would win the spirit bomb forms energy of people and everything around it including planets what it lacks in speed it makes up in size. with enough energy it could blow up an entire planet. Superman never survive the spirit bomb because of this.

You honestly don't think a man who can move fast enough to break the time barrier can go around a spirit bomb? Oh and I took the chance to correct your spelling... You think a person who is almost 20 could spell up correctly...

It dosen't matter how fast or how strong he is superman can't survive an atk that can destroy the entire universe. oh and battosaui I didn't apprecate that comment you gave me.Goku can move as fast as superman goku aslo stop time he can teleport from planet to planet.Saying goku is not as fast as superman is underestimating goku's speed.Plus goku can sense superman coming.So superman can't suprise him

[Dragon X]

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

That is not the case.

For once your right I know enough about superman that he won't beat goku.I've been watching superman since I was a kid. I know all about his powers.

[Dragon X]

Besides we don't know how strong goku is now.I read on a summary saying his power was 1 billion.

[Sanger Zomvolt]

Dragon X... If you took the time to read through Battousai's previous post, you'd know that he was insulting you.

Anyways, though it has been said more than several times in this thread, the Animated Superman is one of the weakest incarnations of Superman. The Comic book Superman has been considered by many to be a god incarnate in terms of power. As for the sensing, The Flash has stated that Superman moves faster than the Speed of thought. One cannot sense him if he moves faster than Goku can think. You obviously know nothing about the other Superman incarnations other than the weak animated Superman.

You state that we don't know how powerful Goku is. Well, neither do we know how powerful Superman is. In the new Supergirl comics, Superman revealed that he spent his entire lifetime practicing extreme restraint, to avoid accidental deaths.

Superman's powers of speed and agility make him especially suited for countering the Genki Dama

Wikipedia-Flaws
The Genki-Dama has three major flaws. One (and the one to be concerned about the most) is the time it takes to gather the energy. This can give time for the user's opponent to quickly counter attack and realize what the user is planning and dodge the attack. The second is the size. If the ball is too big, the Genki Dama could destroy the entire planet that it is on, as revealed by Goku in Dragon Ball Z chapter 122. The third one is that if the user misses their target, one will have a lot of diffculty finding energy for another Genki Dama.

...In hindsight, I see this is pointless, as all we are doing is regurgitating information that has been repeated many times. If you still want to argue, go read the older posts that explain everything.

[Yuri Volte Hyuga]

I think Dragon X just doesn't know a whole lot about Superman.

That is not the case.

For once your right I know enough about superman that he won't beat goku.I've been watching superman since I was a kid. I know all about his powers.

No, you don't......

There so many friggin versions of Superman but I'll use the(one of many) over-powered one as an example.

Superman can turn back time. Yes, Superman can move so fast he can turn back time.
Superman is invincible thanks to a forcefield close to his skin that he can extend.(except to Kryptonite. And do NOT even say that Goku could just use kryptonite against him, because how would Goku figure out Superman's weakness?)
Superman can drag/pull planets.
Superman can regenerate.
Superman has unlimited stamina.
Superman's heat vision can bypass intangibility AND invunerability.
Superman can breathe in space as well as hold his breath for undefined periods of time. That shoots down the whole "blow up the planet and Superman's a goner" argument down in flames. Besides, why the hell would the heroes of DBZ blow up a planet to beat one person? Wouldn't be much of a victory now, would it?

GOKU HAS NONE OF THOSE ABILITIES. SUPERCHEAP WOULD OWN HIM FOR FREE. Q.E.D.

If Superman is pure of heart, then he could withstand it, like Gohan did in the Saiyan Saga.
The problem is you watch the cartoon Superman. Yes, that Superman is a weakling. But the one in the comics is infinitely more powerful than Goku. Hell, one comic book version of Superman sneezed an entire galaxy away. You keep saying "Ah, Goku could just use Spirit Bomb and beat Superman!" and we keep telling you how it just wouldn't work. Give it up, it's futile.

[Pennyroyal Tea]

After reading through through this entire topic I have concluded that my pet slug Archie would beat both of em at the same time

[Pennyroyal Tea]

Actually, it wouldn't make a difference if Dragon X knew a lot about Superman or not because he would still be a stubborn fanboy. Remember the Escaflowne VS Gundam topic, Zengar?

link please. That seems interesting

[Sanger Zomvolt]

Ugh... That was a terrible topic. I can't believe I wasted my time trying to explain myself in that thread. The comparative statistics were a bit fun to compare and analyze, but that was it.

Here you go. I warn you though, my posts are very long, bordering on essay lengths.
http://absoluteanime.com/forum/viewtopi ... sc&start=0


(Although Dragon X's WWE topics are FAR more hilarious, and a testament to his illogical nature. )