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If there is a god he is on a long holiday if there ain't that would explain most goings on.

No one will know until they croak.

and when they die, they cant come back and tell us

Thats exactly the problem...

God is useless in my eyes.

I do not even know what I know. I don't think it will ever be possible to find out whether God really exists during a human being's lifetime. If 'It' really does exists, why? Why did it make everything? What is its purpose?

If god exists he must not have much control over anything.

i still stand behind earlier staements. in order for god to exist, god mom and god dad. LAMO!! where george lucas when ya need him? "The bible, episode 2, yet another bloody prequel-sequel"

lmao.

Locke wrote:

j. Kudos=>> I knew when I said that I've personally testify of the miracles that I've seen, somebody would say that it's because of our desire to belief in something; thus allowing us to experience what Jesus said it will happen. j. Kudos, if what you say is true, then Christians must be a group of highly super intecllectual beings who doesn't need doctors at all! Please do not try to use other absurd ways to explain what science couldn't. Even many other atheistic/ evolutionary Ph.D. doctors couldn't even explain all there is in this world, how do you think that you could? I do hope that you can express your views in an unbiased way.

Sorry but that's just completely ridiculous. You know it, we all know it. lmfao. Other than the fact that you HAVE NOT witnessed miracles, you forced the alternative you wanted, by assuming too much and putting ABSURD words into J.Kudo's mouth.

What is that which is ridiculous that you are referring too? If you are referring to the sentence that I said I’ve know of miracles that have happen. Let it be known to you that I have personally seen it and had personally witness the miracles taking place. I don’t tell tales just to convert people or proof to skeptics that I’m right and they are wrong. I only dare to say what I’ve seen and heard. Even those that I’ve heard, I dare not say much. For most of them, though are from credible sources, are to overwhelming for us to even comprehend that it’s true and it did happen. I don't tell lies so that I can win an argument. I don't get paid at all to do this. I have better things to do, like drawings which I love very much. It's not fun when you know something is right but many people who have yet to know the truth thinks that it's wrong. It's not fun to believe in Christ in a country where persecution is real and fatal. It's also not fun when what you know is true but your friends don't think so and they sought to kill you. However, what we've know is true and we are willing to face difficulties for what we believe in.

Pardon me if I sound harsh, I don't know a better way to put this then to go straight to the point.
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Locke wrote: God is just a way to explain the unknown because humans are afraid of the unknown. He helps us sleep at night.

What is absurd is your answer, which is supported by absolutely NO evidence at all, other than a silly book which was written by old men and contains their ABSURD biases. ...That and argumentum ad populum.

Fine. Take it that my arguement is wrong or absurd. Why then do experts like Wilder Penfield and J. B. S. Haldane both admits that a spirit is possible? Why does Einstein believe in God? I’m seriously taking into consideration what many of you are saying here, and not just what I’ve know and believe.

kyo83

-:Đ.Ŕ.Ę.Ŧ.Ł.Ϊ.Ň:- wrote:So we have moved on to miracles now...

I feel it’s just a lack of understanding. As locke said. But remember hundreds of years ago people were burnt as witches for bizarre reasons? Only now we know of the fact that the wheat in e.g. Salem had a hallucinogenic in it, making victims feel as if they were subject of witchcraft.

Of course that’s strange when we look at it now, our decedents will probably have all the answers…but right now we are the ignorant ones.

That’s just an example of lack of understanding, we don't know much about the universe, there’s still so much more to be discovered.

-:Đ.Ŕ.Ę.Ŧ.Ł.Ϊ.Ň:- wrote:I had the feelin when reading this you assume that we are always connceted to "God" in someway on earth, or else "sins" would be on the floor complaining of sevear heart burn.

And that you talk of the earth as if its a living being, the earth is a rock with us walking all over it...

By the earth dieing do you mean it wont be habitable for humans anymore? Thats not goin to happen for a very long time.

Does this mean you think humans will never leave earth in mass?

Hi -:Đ.Ŕ.Ę.Ŧ.Ł.Ϊ.Ň:-,

As much as I hope to discuss further with you some other interesting subject, I feel its best that we focus on the topic at hand, which is “Does God exist?”. If He does, what does it meant to us, humans. I’ve clear up on the misunderstanding of Hell, so I do hope that you will consider accepting Christ as your Lord and Saviour. If you however has any doubt of accepting Him, feel free to ask me.

kyo83

Kai Phoenix wrote: I'll have you remember that I am agnostic. I do not know or care whether he exists.
If you are a discworld fan, you'll know.

"90% of the universe is unaccounted for. This is because that 90% does the accounting for the known 10%" maybe that is what some would call God. He/She/It is not an entity of this world even if it does exist. I cannot 'Feel' it, and neither can any other normal belief. But, as you said, we CAN feel the wind. This does not mean that the wind is alive. It merely means that our senses can detect it. It is the same principle with God. However our senses cannot detect God, because he is not in any way physical. It is merely a metaphor for the Creator. The creator is, in my opinion, not an entity, but a random occurence, and that the same thing, this 'Creator', will also be the Destroyer of the universe. this is the entity that Terry Pratchett (Discworld author) describes as the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, Kaos. This, of course, is just a crude metaphor of, once again, the Random occurence that created and will no doubt destroy the universe. It is not known to humans exactly what created the universe, and it is unlikely that humanity will ever know. Thus, not one of us can justify our beliefs perfectly, and not one of us can prove our theories. One can only continue to believe in our theories. No-one should ever Indoctrinate their beliefs unto others, and what I am saying is merely a theory for others to consider. They do not have to believe or agree with me. You can contradict me all you want, but this is what I believe.

Hi Kai Phoenix,

I’ve read your post. I don’t say that you have no right to your belief; however, don’t you think that a God who is created out of randomness is not worth our worship at all?

Kai Phoenix wrote: "God is not a physical entity, however we can experience and feel Him."

Kyo, how can you feel Him? Tell me which of your senses detect Him. I cannot in any way detect the presence of God, and a lot of people share this view, or this argument would have died long ago.

We sense God in our spirit. Our spirit is the noblest part of our being compare to our body and soul. Through it we commune with God. Bible does say that if we seek Him with all our heart, we will find him. How do we seek Him? One of the ways we can do that is to pray to God, saying “Lord, I want to know you. Help me to experience you more in my life.” The God that I know I is a personal God and when we ask, He will reply.

Kai Phoenix wrote:I do not even know what I know. I don't think it will ever be possible to find out whether God really exists during a human being's lifetime. If 'It' really does exists, why? Why did it make everything? What is its purpose?

I would like to spend some time explain this. However, I believe that other authors will be of much a better position to explain clearer. I would like to recommend a few books which I believe that will help you very much:

The Purpose Driven Life.
The Case for a Creator
The Case for Faith
The Case for Christ

kyo83

kyo83 wrote:Hi -:Đ.Ŕ.Ę.Ŧ.Ł.Ϊ.Ň:-,

As much as I hope to discuss further with you some other interesting subject, I feel its best that we focus on the topic at hand, which is “Does God exist?”. If He does, what does it meant to us, humans. I’ve clear up on the misunderstanding of Hell, so I do hope that you will consider accepting Christ as your Lord and Saviour. If you however has any doubt of accepting Him, feel free to ask me.

kyo83

lol one step at a time Kyo....

There are billions more experts that think the idea of Christian "God" is absurd, lol.

What country do you live in?

Have you seen "Stigma"? It's a true story based on god! . That movie creeped me out Okay, I know god exists. I don't want to ruined the movie to anyone.

kyo83 wrote: It's not fun when you know something is right but many people.
Fine.

Take it that my arguement is wrong or absurd. Why then do experts like Wilder Penfield and J. B. S. Haldane both admits that a spirit is possible? Why does Einstein believe in God? I’m seriously taking into consideration what many of you are saying here, and not just what I’ve know and believe.

kyo83

You mentioned einsten in your reposet and I find his views very interesting and have donhe a good pit of research into the matter of scientist's and philosopher's opinions on religion and philosohy.

some quotes by many are: (Bolded are ones that I think take specil interest to this discyussion)
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science.
- Albert Einstein
You cannot see anything that you do not first contemplate as a reality.
- Ramtha
The gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for absorbing knowledge.
- Albert Einstein
...perhaps there is a pattern set up in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself.
- Plato
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
- Albert Einstein
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
- Winston Churchill
Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion.
- Democritus of Abdera
All great truths begin as blasphemies.
- George Bernard Shaw
Reality is not only stranger than we suppose but stranger than we can suppose.
- J. B. S. Haldane
Perhaps in time the so-called Dark Ages will be thought of as including our own.
- Georg C. Lichtenberg
It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.
- Giordano Bruno
All speech, action, and behavior are fluctuations of consciousness. All life emerges from, and is sustained in, consciousness. The whole universe is the expression of consciousness. The reality of the universe is one unbounded ocean of consciousness in motion.
- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes.
- Carl Gustav Jung
Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.
- Stephen W. Hawking
The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
- Niels Bohr
Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.
- Niels Bohr
No theory of reality compatible with quantum theory can require spatially separate events to be independent.
- J.S. Bell
The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.
- Stephen W. Hawking
There is only one thing more powerful than all the armies of the world, that is an idea whose time has come.
- Victor Hugo

**Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein, in The New Convergence

I think taht will sufice for my rply, until I can think of more, there was one quote I want to remember that escapes me for now, but is VERY relevant.