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Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Nov 25, 2005 4:31pm
by anneplath
Fallen Angel of Chaos wrote:
satanism doesnt teach you to be the best (atleast i dont think it does) person u can be...

and hey god, i believe, now tell me the damn lotto numbers! *crosses his fingers* 8)
Satanism tells you do everything in your power to make yourself happy, wether it be violence, theft or what have you. Sacrificing animals is to appease Satan and to ask for favors.

Actually, satanism and christianity have a lot in common, both have a bible, people who believe in each can be good, kind people but as is with everything there are extreamists who make people think all of them are like that.

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Nov 26, 2005 3:05pm
by Mai
To make it easier for everyone!!!:

Anner The Mad Hatter: Da pope (Well er..not in the whole...nevermind)
Jesus Christ: Need I say more?
Locke: God (Didn't he call himself god once?)
-: D.R.E.T.L.I.N :- Moses ((( :lol: ))))


Okayyyy..I'm done. :mrgreen: ((((((((*rofl*))))))))

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Nov 26, 2005 4:18pm
by Chaotic reminder
anneplath wrote:
Fallen Angel of Chaos wrote:
satanism doesnt teach you to be the best (atleast i dont think it does) person u can be...

and hey god, i believe, now tell me the damn lotto numbers! *crosses his fingers* 8)
Satanism tells you do everything in your power to make yourself happy, wether it be violence, theft or what have you. Sacrificing animals is to appease Satan and to ask for favors.

Actually, satanism and christianity have a lot in common, both have a bible, people who believe in each can be good, kind people but as is with everything there are extreamists who make people think all of them are like that.
i cant, i cant kill a innocent animal for my own personal gain

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 01, 2005 8:57pm
by God
*shrug*

I don't believe in god =P

I think that it's just fine and dandy that everyone has their own beliefs, just as long as they don't impose them on me. =P

I'm sure someone has already said something like this... but whateva.

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 8:32am
by Dretlin
Fo Fo wrote:To make it easier for everyone!!!:

Anner The Mad Hatter: Da pope (Well er..not in the whole...nevermind)
Jesus Christ: Need I say more?
Locke: God (Didn't he call himself god once?)
-: D.R.E.T.L.I.N :- Moses ((( :lol: ))))


Okayyyy..I'm done. :mrgreen: ((((((((*rofl*))))))))
:-s ....ah well good enough... 8) 8) 8)

like god just said (HA!) yes I am also against forcing your beliefs on others....

Its always had bad results...Naizs and commies for example.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 11:16am
by Marina
Fallen Angel of Chaos wrote:
kyo83 wrote:
Captain harrison wrote: the bible says this, the bible says that, but all it REALLY says is what the weak minded ones want to hear...
If what you’ve said is true, that Bible is what the weak minded wants to hear. Then are you saying that the President of the United States is weak minded? Are you saying that Mr. Bill Clinton is weak minded? What about Mother Teresa? What about Sir John Templeton, one of the richest and most successful mutual fund managers in history, a man of weak mind? Seriously, when you propose your claims that Christianity is false, your assertion must at least be rational.
Captain harrison wrote: …can you prove that he’s not just some guy that controlled people and manipulated them with magic tricks? so he can walk on water, turn water into wine, etc,..
Yes. Now think about this. If Jesus is a person as you said who manipulate people and control people. Why doesn’t He control the authorities so that He can rule Rome? Why is it that in many places that’s recorded in the Bible. It is always written that Jesus eats with the tax collectors who are disliked by the community, the poor, those who contracted leprosy, the sick, the abandoned, the blind? Why don’t he mixed around with those of a higher authority? Why doesn’t he spend more time with the rich?

In fact there is one account, whereby a rich young man wanted to follow Jesus, but Jesus told him to sell away all that he have to follow Him. The rich young man was very sad because he had great riches, the Bible says. Now think about this, why would Jesus be so seemingly stupid to chase away that young lad, and not use the lad’s riches to manipulate Jesus agenda?
Captain harrison wrote:…
but we have magicians these days that perform "magic" at parties, but i don’t see anyone bowing to them and calling THEM our savior,….
Of course, you don’t see them get crucified on the cross now do you? You also don’t see them claiming that they are the Son of God which has been prophesied in the Bible, and confirm by His believers that they are the Son of God, do you? By the way, Jesus don't do magic, magic are for kids. Jesus do miracles. (I'm not against magic, magic are cool too, even for me. :) )
Captain harrison wrote: Fact is, god hasn’t shown a sign he exists to more then one person at a time for the last several centuries…
I beg to differ. In fact God did and has been showing His signs to humanity. It’s just a matter of are you willing to accept it? Being willing is essential. Evidence cannot convince the unwilling.
Captain harrison wrote: …. for all we know, he's just part of a story book that people made up, and that ever Merical was just something someone wrote down out of their imagination for fun
"Merical"? I suppose you meant miracle. Now if the Bible is just a storybook for the gullible, weak mind, stupid, silly, can anybody try to explain to me the reason for a brilliant doctor who is skeptical of the Bible to end up believing it? Consider his story:

Viggo Olsen, a brilliant surgeon with many degrees under his name like, M.S., M.D., Litt.D., D.H., F.A.C.S., F.I.C.S. and D.T.M. & H.. He became a diplomat of the American Board of Surgery and a fellow of the American College of Surgeons.

Viggo, together with his wife, Joan were spiritual skeptics. They would come together to explain to their parents who were devout Christians, why Christianity is inconsistent with contemporary science. However, one day in frustration they decided to probe deeper into the Christian faith, intending to “dissect out all its embarrassing scientific mistakes...” In Viggo’s own words, “My intention was not to do an objective study at all.”

Viggo and Joan would spend days and nights researching, analyzing, discussing, and argued. In stead of finding mistakes, it seems like they are having trouble finding them. “We’d find something that seemed to be an error, but on further reflection and study, we saw that our understanding had been shallow. That makes us sit up and take notice.”

Later on a student handled Viggo a 1948 book called “Modern Science and Christian Faith”. Each thirteen chapters were written by different scientists about the evidence in his field and the result was astounding. They all point towards a living God. This sufficiently stuns Viggo and Joan. In fact, they said, “It blew our minds!” For the first time, we began to see there were reasons behind Christianity.

Piro wrote:…. its clear that most of the population are atheist, and deny existence of this one supreme being…
Piro, please do a check before you post such assertion.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

If you look under the statistic of non-religious. They numbered only 16%! And out these 16% half of them are theists but are not religious.
Piro wrote:religion is a way to manipulate the masses who DO believe. think about. the world was considered flat, right?


This is what I understand from your words. You are saying that religion, is the obvious gullible-ness of the believers to believe whatever the preacher says without backing up what they believe with evidence. You are quite right in this on most religion. In fact if you consider the belief that the world is flat and most religion, you will find one similarity in both of them. And that is… They have no evidence to back up their beliefs! However, I’m afraid this is where many people have mistaken about Christianity. Christianity is not without evidence; my belief is backed not only with theological evidence but also with historical, archeological, scientific, medical and most importantly, personal evidence.

kyo83
(Sorry guys for editing so many times.. :oops: )
accept it? accept it? wtF are you talking about, i've looked for it for the last 7 friggin years (since i study every religion, i dont practice and (esp one) but i study lots of religions and stuff) and i havent seen anything! GOD! YOU ****ING MORON! IF YOU ****ING WANT THESE ****ING PEOPLE TO ****ING BELIEVE IN YOU, SHOW YOURSELF IN A ****ING FORM THAT EVERY ****ING PERSON CAN ****ING BELIEVE IN! BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ****ING BELIEVE IN YOU, ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS, AND THOSE DAMN FANATICS THAT THINK THAT EVERY MOTHER ****ING GOOD ****ING THING THAT ****ING HAPPENS TO ****ING THEM IS A ****ING SIGN OF ****ING GOD! AND EVERY ****ING THING THAT DOESNT ****ING BELIEVE IN ****ING GOD IS A ****ING FOLLOWER OF ****ING SATAN! AND IF YOU ****ING WANT ME TO ****ING BELIEVE IN YOU, THEN ****ING GET THOSE ****ING FANATICS IN ****ING FLORIDA TO ****ING STOP ****ING CALLING ME ****ING SATANIC JUST ****ING BECAUSE I ****ING DONT BELIEVE IN YOU! I MEAN, FOR GOD'S (if he exists) SAKE! SURE, I DONT WANT YOU RUNNING MY LIFE, THE ONLY PPL THAT DO ARE THOSE DAMN FANATICS, BUT LEAST YOU COULD DO IS GET PEOPLE TO STOP PREACHING IN UR NAME TO GET POWER! (no, i doubt god exists and i dont think he's actully going to read that, but hey, why not say it?)



P.S. sorry for the ****ing swearing, i know that s**t aint friggin cool, but...meh :roll: ](*,) ](*,)
I believe in Fallen of Angle Chaos. I read at least pages of the bible (hey, I'm begining to read it)
This is what concerneds me: In Genesis 9, he said with these words after the flood (Noah's time)

"I promise that never again will all living being be destroyed by flood; never again will a flood destroy the earth. As a sign of this everlasting covenant which I am making with all living beings, I am putting my bow in the clouds. It will be the sign of my convenant with the world. ........I will remember my promise to you and to all living the animals that flood will never again destroy all living beings"


God made a promise, and he broke it. Explain Hurrican Katrina? Explain the 4 hurricans that settled in Florida? Explain the tsunami in the south bond in India?

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 12:49pm
by GravyTrain
Sarai wrote:
"I promise that never again will all living being be destroyed by flood; never again will a flood destroy the earth. As a sign of this everlasting covenant which I am making with all living beings, I am putting my bow in the clouds. It will be the sign of my convenant with the world. ........I will remember my promise to you and to all living the animals that flood will never again destroy all living beings"


God made a promise, and he broke it. Explain Hurrican Katrina? Explain the 4 hurricans that settled in Florida? Explain the tsunami in the south bond in India?
Notice that God said he wouldn't destroy ALL living beings with a flood. Only SOME were killed in Katrina. God isn't stupid enough to back himself into a corner, which is why he was very specific in leaving many situations in which he could totally ruin our [censored].

But seriously though, who knows if God really promised that or if it was entirely some guy who wrote it down. In order for God to not contradict himself, parts of the Old Testament need to be taken figuratively.

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 2:57pm
by Raoul Duke
-:D.R.Ę.Ŧ.Ļ.I .N:- wrote:
Fo Fo wrote:To make it easier for everyone!!!:

Anner The Mad Hatter: Da pope (Well er..not in the whole...nevermind)
Jesus Christ: Need I say more?
Locke: God (Didn't he call himself god once?)
-: D.R.E.T.L.I.N :- Moses ((( :lol: ))))


Okayyyy..I'm done. :mrgreen: ((((((((*rofl*))))))))
:-s ....ah well good enough... 8) 8) 8)

like god just said (HA!) yes I am also against forcing your beliefs on others....

Its always had bad results...Naizs and commies for example.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Or any of those western bass turds who believe in democracy. :)

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 3:48pm
by Kenshin
ummm..... yeah how does this relate to Adult section?

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 3:51pm
by GravyTrain
Kenshin wrote:ummm..... yeah how does this relate to Adult section?
Do you really want a bunch of pre-teens trying to argue something like this?

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 3:54pm
by Mai
GravyTrain wrote:
Kenshin wrote:ummm..... yeah how does this relate to Adult section?
Do you really want a bunch of pre-teens trying to argue something like this?
:-k Yes. :mrgreen: :| 8-[

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 02, 2005 4:18pm
by Kenshin
still doesn't make sense

Re: re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 03, 2005 11:48am
by Dretlin
Locke wrote:
-:D.R.Ę.Ŧ.Ļ.I .N:- wrote:
Fo Fo wrote:To make it easier for everyone!!!:

Anner The Mad Hatter: Da pope (Well er..not in the whole...nevermind)
Jesus Christ: Need I say more?
Locke: God (Didn't he call himself god once?)
-: D.R.E.T.L.I.N :- Moses ((( :lol: ))))


Okayyyy..I'm done. :mrgreen: ((((((((*rofl*))))))))
:-s ....ah well good enough... 8) 8) 8)

like god just said (HA!) yes I am also against forcing your beliefs on others....

Its always had bad results...Naizs and commies for example.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Or any of those western bass turds who believe in democracy. :)
There are bad people at each end of the spectrum 8) 8) 8)

If there is a perfect political and social system then anyone please share... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 04, 2005 4:27am
by kyo83
Hi everyone,

Now I would just like to answer a couple of question which J. Kudo had asked me previously. That is, is Jesus Christ the Son of God? How do we know that? Can I prove it?

There is no other place to search for he answer than to look into the Bible. In order to believe in the Bible, it must first prove to be credible and true. The Bible is separated into two sections: The Old Testaments and the New Testaments. The Old Testament (OT) was written long before Christ was born. And the New Testaments (NT) was written about 50 AD after Jesus was crucified on the Cross.

Many people have mistaken that the OT are books of teachings given to the believers of how to live a moral and righteous life. This is a misunderstanding. Most of the books in the Bible (For example, the 1st and 2nd book of Samuel, the 1st and 2nd books of Kings, etc) were actually historical accounts of Israel. They tell of how the nation Israel was formed, what they do, and who ruled them. Another reason why the claims by critics that the Bible are a book full of lies is really irrational because if any one of you would read the accounts of Israel. You will realize that Israel fail the standards of God time and time again. However the weird thing is that the Israelis never cancel all those negative reports about them from the Bible! Instead they leave it as it is. The credibility of the historical accounts is easy to verify, you can simply do a check on the history of Israel to prove whether the OT is correct.
In the OT, it also make mention of great kingdoms like Babylon and Assyrian. Of how they affect the nation Israel and the wars they fought. Every detail of the wars was accurately written down in the OT.

Other then, historical accounts, the OT also wrote of beautiful poems and love stories. There is also a book called Proverbs written by the richest King of Israel, King Solomon. This is even more incredible. The Proverbs written were things like, behave morally, speak up for those who are unable to defense themselves, submit to authorities, respect and obey our parents, etc. These are what we know that we should do, aren’t they? There weren’t any form of manipulation to believe in a form of religion, were there? No. So you see, guys, there weren’t much to talk about in terms of theological doctrines that were used to manipulate others. There are just none.

So what and how does the Old Testament play apart in the Christian Faith. Well the OT tells of how God loves mankind and long for all to have a proper relationship with Him. The OT also tells us about how God plan to do this. The OT predicted that somebody will come in human form and bare the sins of many. How? By having a Man to be crucified on the Cross. (Now this is a funny thing. The death penalty of crucifixion on the cross was not invented only until the Roman Empire, but yet the OT writers were able to predict that this thing will happen long before its time! Surely, no man could have invented this up.) Not only that the OT also predicted accurately the time and place of the birth of Christ. it also predicted what Jesus will do here on Earth. For example, He will heal the sick, deliver people from demons possession, and will be a light and a hope for all who have none. The OT also predicted how Jesus will die, where He will die, when He will die and by whom.

So you see, the OT is not in anyway a hoax to try and convince people to believe in their religion. But its base on true historical facts and tell us the moral standards we should live our lives.

Now we move on to the NT. I’ve previously refute the idea that the NT is use as a religious propaganda to manipulate people for some religious cause. However, that’s not all. The New Testament approves the credibility of the Old Testament and thus affirming that what the Old Testament writers predictably wrote was true. The New Testament though were written by different writers, yet was able to give the same account that can be easily refuted by those outside to be lies, but there was none. There were also non-Christian sources who affirmed the dates and venues of the events to be accurate. Some of them were Josephus; Tacitus, the Roman Historian; Pliny the Younger, a Roman Politician; Phlegon, a freed slave who wrote histories; Thallus, a first-century historian; Lucian, a Greek satirist; Celus, a Roman Philospher; Mara Bar-Serapion, a private citizen who wrote to his son; and the Jewish Tamuld, etc.

Now that we are slightly clear on the credibility of the Bible. The Bible is not just some theological doctrines for the believers, but it contains love letters, stories, and proverbs on how to live a righteous and Godly life; and historical accounts of ancient times and the life of Jesus. Let us now see if Jesus is the Son of God….

The Old Testament had predicted that a Man, who will be born of a virgin supernaturally, who is from God will come and save mankind by shedding His blood for the cleansing of the sins of mankind. Jesus fits them all. The OT contains more than 48 Messianic prophecies concerning Jesus. Here are some of them…
Genesis 12: 3, 7
Genesis 49:10
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 52:13- 53:12
Micah 5:2
Malachi 3:1
Daniel 9:25-26….

Okay, so we know that the OT fits Jesus completely, but does Jesus really wants us to worship Him? The answer is yes! Jesus confirms the OT by quoting them and affirmed that who the OT writers wrote was Him. He affirms his deity by doing miracle works, and showing from the Bible the things that were said of Him. Most importantly, as predicted by the OT, he died on the Cross crucified; none of His bones were broken by the Roman soldiers unlike the other two prisoners who were crucified with Him; He was instead pierced into His side by a spear; and after three days, He rose from the dead appearing to many of His believers.

So I’ve just answered the 2nd question of which J.Kudo asked …

[quote=”J. Kudo”]
2) Why do you worship Jesus Christ, who was a wise man, and based on many of his opinions and philosophies I would say that in worshiping him you are more or less deminishing everything he believed, and I honestly believe that he would not have wanted to be worshiped. [/quote]

Next J.Kudo asked.

[quote=”J. Kudo”]
1) If you aren't supposed to worship Idols, why do you idolize and worship idols of Jesus Christ… [/quote]

Firstly I would like to say that worshipping Jesus and worshiping the Idols of Jesus is different. We Christians don’t worship the idol of Jesus but we worship Jesus Himself. How? By coming to Him in prayer and every other daily affair we do with faith, reverence and love for Him.

Now worshiping Jesus is not idolatry. Idolatry happens when a man worship something that is not in essence God. Jesus, however, is different. Jesus is perfect. Jesus is not just a man. He is a God-Man! He has the essence of God and Man in Him when He was on Earth and even now when He is in Heavens. He is 100% God and 100% Man. This is definitely hard to grasp, but should we be so surprised? No. For we are just finite beings, trying understand an infinite being.

After spending much time here to clear some of the misunderstanding, I’m glad that at least some of those misunderstanding is cleared. Although I know that there are still many questions remain, I would like to ask that whether you guys asked them out of serious doubt? Or because you just don't wish to know and accept the Bible? Many of your questions are due to misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Bible, are you gona put it off just like that? Given an example, Our parents said they love us, but why is it that they scold us and cane us when we are naughty? Don't they know that its very hurting and painful? Yes they know, but they also knows that discipline and punishment are good for our future. But do we understand this when we are very young and void of much understanding? No. So do we put them off as bad parents becuase of that? No. Not only because we have got no choice coz we depend on them for providence, but also we trust in them and have faith in them. Remember the belief in Jesus not just about this life we're talking about, we are infact talking about eternalty. We can put down anything that we don't like, but truth is as real as gravity. It doesn't matter what's our opinion, they still work anyway. Just try jumping off a cliff, no matter how much you refute the laws of gravity with theories and experiment, it still work! Right now, its easy to be a Christian, but there will come a time, believing in Jesus gona be extremely difficult. :(

I'll probably not be answering any more of your questions. I believe I've done enough work here. As I have said before so I say now. I'm not here to force the Gospel down your throat but I'm asking you to decide carefully coz it is crucial.

Many of you ask why God allows bad things to happen. What many of you don't understand is this. If God wants perfect peace, He can do it. He will just have to take out the freedom to choose, our will. The freedom to choose is the greatest priviledge that Man ever had. Just like the days in the Garden of Eden, when God tell Adam to choose between the tree of good and evil(which will eventually led to death) and the tree of Life(which is immortality), so are we called to choose today in this present era.

Like all of you here, I have many questions when I started out as a Christian. However, I didn't put down Jesus just because I couldn't make out his ways. But I seek to know and understand with a sincere heart. Making sure that every evidence is real, truthful and credible. Making sure that the words I've heard from witness are not lies. While I do have many bad habits and many desires I hope to accomplished,(which I thought that I would't be able to do so if I was to accept Christ, but I was wrong.)God slowly change me like never before. Thus I came to a conclusion that Jesus is a real God and He is worth our everything and I hope that you will too.

Kyo83 :D :D

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 04, 2005 6:02am
by Mai
o.o;...

re: does god really exist?

Posted: Dec 04, 2005 6:23am
by Dretlin
kyo, I hold the upmost respect for you.

I guess when it comes to the end it is whether you have the courage to accept and have faith. You can find much about yourself in this situation.

Thx for everything Kyo. :wink: 8) 8) 8)