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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 4:44pm
by Dreams
I'm 75% sure Siaotong is Chinese.
My other 25% guess is Indonesian.
I don't think it's Korean...
And definitely not Japanese.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 8:17pm
by Ms. Fluffy Butt
ow... Thank you!!
My cousin don't know what his nationality is..
so i had to ask...
Arigatou!
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 6:22am
by Ms. Fluffy Butt
What does this mean?
sure can ar...watasiwa mina meke sang
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 7:48am
by Yuki~
.. i don't know what this means.. XD
but can someone write this in japanese (hiragan,katakana or kanji) for me, please? My friend asked me, but I don't have how to write in japanese here...XDD
thanks!
"watashi no namae wa Yuuhi desu (demo jitsu wa kore wa watashi no namae ja nai XD). 16 sai desu.
watashi wa ima burajiru ni sundeirukedo, gaikoku ni sumitai desu.
rainen watashi wa nihon e ikimasu kara, ima ganbatte nihongo wo benkyoshite imasu! ^__^
anime to manga to jrock ga daisuki da! ^________^v "
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Posted: Dec 01, 2007 11:28pm
by creativename
I have a question, if anyone can help.
My friend has a small forum called "Neutral Authority", which I believe translates into 中立の権威 (that is, Churitsu no keni). The forum also has a motto that I wish to translate, "We're all nerds here". Now, I'm only a first quarter Japanese student, and this term is kinda complex. I was thinking 私達はここでにナード (Watashitachi wa koko de ni naado), but that sounds all wrong. I was also thinking about using otaku instead of ナード, but that has significant negative connotations.
Anyway, what would be the best way to say "We're all nerds here" in informal Japanese?
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Posted: Dec 02, 2007 6:49pm
by Dreams
gothgirl_kun wrote:What does this mean?
sure can ar...watasiwa mina meke sang
O_o I can't read most of it... where's this from? Did someone write this, or are you transcribing it from somewhere by ear?
The only thing I'm 100% sure about is that 'watasiwa' -> 'watashi wa', meaning "I... (do/am/etc)".
'Mina' could possibly be mina/minna, meaning 'everyone'.
Ritsuka wrote:
"watashi no namae wa Yuuhi desu (demo jitsu wa kore wa watashi no namae ja nai XD). 16 sai desu.
watashi wa ima burajiru ni sundeirukedo, gaikoku ni sumitai desu.
rainen watashi wa nihon e ikimasu kara, ima ganbatte nihongo wo benkyoshite imasu! ^__^
anime to manga to jrock ga daisuki da! ^________^v "
Written quite well. :) But there's a couple grammar errors?
"Nihon e ikimasu kara"... ikimasu -> iku. 'Kara' typically gets attached to the informal forms of verbs, even in polite speech. Generally, unless a verb is the final verb in the sentence, it's safe to leave it in its informal form.
"Daisuki da!"... da -> desu? Since the rest of it is written in polite speech, wouldn't she want to use 'desu' instead of 'da'?
I'm also not quite sure if Japanese people use the term "J-rock", or it would be better to write "Nihon no rock", etc. I used the second one.
私の名前はゆうひです(でも実は、これは私の名前じゃない)。16歳です。私は今ブラジルに住んでいるけど、外国に住みたいです。来年私は日本へ行くから、今頑張って日本語を勉強しています!アニメと漫画と日本のロックが大好きです!
creativename wrote:I have a question, if anyone can help.
My friend has a small forum called "Neutral Authority", which I believe translates into 中立の権威 (that is, Churitsu no keni). The forum also has a motto that I wish to translate, "We're all nerds here". Now, I'm only a first quarter Japanese student, and this term is kinda complex. I was thinking 私達はここでにナード (Watashitachi wa koko de ni naado), but that sounds all wrong. I was also thinking about using otaku instead of ナード, but that has significant negative connotations.
Anyway, what would be the best way to say "We're all nerds here" in informal Japanese?
Yep, 中立の権威 is quite correct. :3
You were pretty close, actually. You just used 'de' and 'ni' at once, which doesn't happen. I'd go with:
Watashi-tachi wa koko de mina naado da.
私達はここでみなナードだ。
(The 'mina' emphasizes 'we're ALL'.)
'Koko' takes 'de' in an instance like this. When used with iru/aru, it would be 'koko ni'. But since this sentence's focus is on WHAT you are rather than WHERE you are, it should use the particle 'de', and the ending copula 'da' (informal form of 'desu').
And although 'watashi' is not the most informal way to refer to oneself, it's the best choice for being gender neutral. :)
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Posted: Dec 02, 2007 9:18pm
by creativename
Thanks for the help, Dreams! I appreciate it.
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Posted: Dec 03, 2007 1:26am
by Aoi Sakuraba
you do know that this thread isnt such a good idea, for a few reasons:
1) they are learning these so called "useful phrases" but they arent understanding the sentence structure or which words mean what, or if they do know the word meaning they usually think its that way all the time and it isnt nessesarily like that.
2) It causes bad habits, they remmembr these phrases and when they go to learn the language for real it will be even harder because they will be less acceptable to the correct information.
3) they often times get these "phrases" stuck in there heads and in most cases there is a much easier way to say/express/convey what it means.
These are also true for the "teach yourself" or "learn on your own" books/cd's/computer programs, they try to pound these "useful phrases" into your head from the very start, while trying to avoid the more difficult parts of learning the language so they dont scare the learner off. What they arent understanding is these "phrases" often make learning the language properly much more difficult.
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Posted: Dec 03, 2007 3:27am
by Yuki~
I have a question!
I did Noryokushiken yesterday and there was this question that I remember until now. XD
It was something like:
結婚_________ らしいです.
And the answers were:
-する {i chsoe this one}
-しない
-します
-しよう
I'd like to know what this phrase means and if I was right.
thanks!
and thanks Dreams for translating my friend's text.^^
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Posted: Dec 04, 2007 6:56pm
by Dreams
Ritsuka wrote:I have a question!
I did Noryokushiken yesterday and there was this question that I remember until now. XD
It was something like:
結婚_________ らしいです.
And the answers were:
-する {i chsoe this one}
-しない
-します
-しよう
I'd like to know what this phrase means and if I was right.
thanks!
X_X Either more than one answer can be correct, or I'm stupid. Because the first two sound correct:
結婚するらしいです - "It seems as though he/she/etc is married."
結婚しないらしいです - "It seems as though he/she/etc is not married." (Or "is single".)
します wouldn't work because the polite form isn't used before らしい.
And しよう would sound strange with らしい.
Rashii (らしい) works like "you da" and "sou da". "Rashii" is based on information the speaker has either seen for themselves, or read/heard somewhere.
I'm sure you got it right. :)
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Posted: Dec 04, 2007 7:12pm
by Dreams
Aoi-Chan wrote:you do know that this thread isnt such a good idea, for a few reasons:
1) they are learning these so called "useful phrases" but they arent understanding the sentence structure or which words mean what, or if they do know the word meaning they usually think its that way all the time and it isnt nessesarily like that.
2) It causes bad habits, they remmembr these phrases and when they go to learn the language for real it will be even harder because they will be less acceptable to the correct information.
3) they often times get these "phrases" stuck in there heads and in most cases there is a much easier way to say/express/convey what it means.
These are also true for the "teach yourself" or "learn on your own" books/cd's/computer programs, they try to pound these "useful phrases" into your head from the very start, while trying to avoid the more difficult parts of learning the language so they dont scare the learner off. What they arent understanding is these "phrases" often make learning the language properly much more difficult.
I disagree.
Not everyone should have to learn a language just to understand or use simple words and phrases, and that's why a thread like this is a wonderful resource. For instance, I'm interested in a lot of foreign languages but I haven't nearly the time or resources to fully learn them all. So just learning some useful phrases here and there helps me out.
The majority of the people here are not planning on packing up and finding a profession in Japan, so I really don't see the harm in them not understanding every nuance or grammar pattern involved in the language. If they do decide that Japanese will help them in the future, or find it fun to learn, they can make their own decision to fully learn the language.
I also don't find that learning phrases without knowing every particular part of speech involved damages the learning ability in any way. I knew many Japanese words and phrases before I got serious about the grammar, and it was kind of fascinating when I got to the point where I fully understood the structure of what I had learned early on. But not knowing didn't change my ability to say things properly. (Even a beginner fundamentally understands that "O-genki desu ka?" is "How are you?" without having to know that "desu" is a copula and "ka" is a question particle, etc.)
Last but not least, I feel that the language packages you're referring to are perfect for the average businessman or world traveler: someone who does not need to be bogged down in linguistic logistics, but can quickly learn enough of the language on the fly to help them find their way around the country and enjoy their time there.
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Posted: Dec 04, 2007 7:56pm
by Aoi Sakuraba
Even if they only go to Japan for a few days these useful phrases wont help them any. And by the way I never meantioned anything about them staying in Japan or living there, but if they want to know the language odds are they are planning a trip to Japan, and even if its just a few days they will need more then just these crappy phrases.
And I never said they should learn every nook and crany of the language, but they should have a base to build on. Learning phrases first is like building a building from the top down. Only knowing a few phrases wont help you in Japan even for a day.
Native Japanese will look at them like idiots and as soon as they turn away you'll hear the phrase "stupid foriegner" these useful phrases are often not how its said in common day usage in Japan, so whats the point in learning it if everyone will look at you like an idiot. There is no point in learning something that wont help you any. Just because it worked for you doesn't mean it will work on anyone else. Oh and ask any native Japanese about these useful phases books and they'll laugh at you.
And your example "O-Genki-Desu-Ka" in common useage in Japan is "Genki desu ka or simply Genki ka".
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Posted: Dec 05, 2007 4:15pm
by Yuki~
Dreams wrote:Ritsuka wrote:I have a question!
I did Noryokushiken yesterday and there was this question that I remember until now. XD
It was something like:
結婚_________ らしいです.
And the answers were:
-する {i chsoe this one}
-しない
-します
-しよう
I'd like to know what this phrase means and if I was right.
thanks!
X_X Either more than one answer can be correct, or I'm stupid. Because the first two sound correct:
結婚するらしいです - "It seems as though he/she/etc is married."
結婚しないらしいです - "It seems as though he/she/etc is not married." (Or "is single".)
します wouldn't work because the polite form isn't used before らしい.
And しよう would sound strange with らしい.
Rashii (らしい) works like "you da" and "sou da". "Rashii" is based on information the speaker has either seen for themselves, or read/heard somewhere.
I'm sure you got it right.

thanks! ^^
I was talking with my friend about this question and he wasn't sure if there was the option しない there. But I'm 100% sure I answered する.
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Posted: Dec 05, 2007 5:33pm
by Dreams
Aoi-Chan wrote:Even if they only go to Japan for a few days these useful phrases wont help them any.
X_X I totally disagree with that. Learning phrases in other languages and/or using pocket guides has never failed me in simple communication with people in other countries; nor have I heard of travelers coming back from trips and saying that
nothing they learned to say came in handy.
Quite frankly, I think your whole argument is crass and ungrounded. Not everyone has the time to learn a language, nor should they even be required to understand the fundamentals of simple phrases like "Hello", "How are you?", "Where is the restroom?", etc.
And coincidentally, not everyone is learning the language with the intention of going abroad. Some people like the culture but don't intend (or don't have the resources) to live there or visit. So I think it would be silly to not help people out with simple words and phrases in Japanese. It may be all they ever learn, or ever want to learn, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Aoi-Chan wrote:
Native Japanese will look at them like idiots and as soon as they turn away you'll hear the phrase "stupid foriegner" these useful phrases are often not how its said in common day usage in Japan, so whats the point in learning it if everyone will look at you like an idiot. There is no point in learning something that wont help you any. Just because it worked for you doesn't mean it will work on anyone else. Oh and ask any native Japanese about these useful phases books and they'll laugh at you.
What part of Japan is this, that Japanese people are rude to foreigners? Yes, there are people in every country who scoff at tourists and those who can't speak the language well, but it's not the vast majority. That'd be like saying people in the USA make fun of those who can't speak English well. We don't. I don't believe that the Japanese would be making fun of people under their breath either.
Aoi-Chan wrote:
And your example "O-Genki-Desu-Ka" in common useage in Japan is "Genki desu ka or simply Genki ka".
So you would recommend asking a stranger "Genki ka?" If I were to approach someone, I would be sure to say "O-genki desu ka?" which is what any phrase book or beginner's book will tell the learner to say. Cutting out the honorific "o-" or "desu" may be fine for a more informal situation, but not for a tourist, etc.
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Posted: Dec 05, 2007 6:14pm
by Aoi Sakuraba
you'd be suprised at how few japanese like foriegners. And you say amerikans don't make fun when a person can't speak the language well....thats total b.s. I know first hand that they do.
in japan you'll see all kinds of shirts and posters and all kinds of stuff that says stuff like "expel the foriegn scum" "banish all outsiders"....etc
and why would I lie about my own country and the country I love?
and this whole thing is pointless, neither of us is going to back down, neither side can prove 100% that they are right because its online
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Posted: Dec 06, 2007 8:02pm
by Dreams
Aoi-Chan wrote:you'd be suprised at how few japanese like foriegners. And you say amerikans don't make fun when a person can't speak the language well....thats total b.s. I know first hand that they do.
I've lived in America (it's spelled with a C) my whole life, so I know what I'm talking about. The majority of Americans are kind to foreigners.
Aoi-Chan wrote:
and why would I lie about my own country and the country I love?
So, what you say is true, but what I say isn't true? And why would you be proud to love a country that's rude to foreigners? Are you one of those people who laughs at visitors who can't speak Japanese well?
By the way, did you want a list of my friends and family in Japan? Because you seem to think I'm totally ignorant of what goes on over there.
Aoi-Chan wrote:
and this whole thing is pointless, neither of us is going to back down, neither side can prove 100% that they are right because its online
That's the problem you're having - you think there's a winning side to this discussion. You just seem very narrow-minded to me. I can agree that in the topics we discussed, some language books/travel guides are NOT good resources, but not the majority. Same goes for people being rude to foreigners - I don't believe the majority in most countries, Japan included, feels that way. And learning the structure of Japanese before learning random phrases might be good for the minority, but this thread is extremely useful for those who have no inclination to know more than a word or two.
もっと大人になったらね。