The Meeting Grounds for the Fangirl Army

[KoYue]

What if there's a case in which both the baby is endangering the mother's health?

[Kibsy~]

not every baby put up for adoption ends up with a family some end up in foster care their whole lives =( maybe some of them would wish their whole life that they'd never be born. i know what you mean though it does seem kinda selfish but some women are actually thinking of the unborn childs interests first when they decide to have an abortion.

[Athos]

Well, here is how I look at abortion.

Aristotle once said, "[. . .] There must necessarily be a union or pairing of those who cannot exist without one another. Male and female must unite for the reproduction of the species--not from deliberate intention, but from the natural impulse, which exists in animals generally as it also exists in plants, to leave behind something of the same nature as themselves." The purpose of intercourse is to reproduce, not for the short term pleasure.

The Sexual Revolution of the 1960's is one of the greatest disaster in American culture. Granted, the baby boomers have set the bar for the American generation coming of age...My generation has some big shoes to fill-in, and we can set it higher. But my generation needs to learn from the baby boomers about a thing called "hard work, pay attention to details, and work ethic." Since we know technology as if we invented it, we can really soar to new heights...Anyways, getting back to what I was saying.

I am pro-life (not to confused with pro-choice). And Kibs, abortion doesn't affect just the ladies. It affects us men as well. I'll give you a personal example. A friend of mine was going through some rather though times, and so he randomly came to me to talk. He told me that his gf had an abortion and he told me (for the first time) how he had cried like a baby. Shortly after that, I cried, and I lost a lot of sleep over it, and to be honest, I still do. The thought of ending a life, is very troublesome for me. In American society, I feel that we do not value life like we once did. My mother could have aborted me. And if that happen, none of you would have known me, and in turn, I could not have helped the people who I have crossed paths with.

In addition, if my future wife and I decide to reproduce, and she decides to change her mind and have an abortion, where would that leave me as a partner in marriage? You couldn't say that it was her choice. Both her and I, as a couple, agreed to reproduce. I would then have just as an equal right as her because I helped create that life. Now granted, there is an exception to every rule (even in American law, there is a exception to double jeopardy).

And furthermore, I believe that there are some parents out there who shouldn't be parents, simply because they aren't educated, which can be done. There are many other reasons too. Family to me, is everything. Family is the most minute structure of government (as Aristotle believed). Families make up villages, Villages make up cities, cities make up municipalities or counties, and counties make up states, and states make up a country (in America anyway).

Some women such as Toni Vernelli , have had abortions to "reduce the carbon footprint." (If you click on her name, you can read the article to learn more).

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Man i've missed way too much, any body willing to give me an update?

Finals got me and Renji Abarai studying are asses off.

[Athos]

Aw, poor Admiral. XD

We're getting into current political issues at the moment.

[Hallow]

I don't like politics. I also don't like politicians. They make so many promises, and when elected, they don't keep any of them.

[Athos]

Well, your politics is different from American politics. Remember, a Conservative in the United States is not the same as a Conservative in Canada, or in the U.K. A Conservative in California is not the same as a Conservative from Tennessee. The same goes for liberals as well. (Not to mention, it also depends on how one defines politics).

And I'm sick of corrupt politicians. I have many corrupt politicians here on the local level (and the federal level as well). Which is why I plan on getting into politics- to represent the interests of my constituents (which is why I get mad when people go shouting, "all politicians are bad.") Not all politicians are bad. On the state level, I have great politicians who really do put the interests of their constituents first, and sadly- I can not say that about a lot of politicians.

Not to mention, so many people around here in my area, do not pay attention to what is going on in my municipality, and on the state level. On the state level is where things really do matter.

[Hallow]

Well, your politics is different from American politics. Remember, a Conservative in the United States is not the same as a Conservative in Canada, or in the U.K. A Conservative in California is not the sane as say, a Conservative from Tennessee. The same goes for liberals as well. (Not to mention, it also depends on how one defines politics).

It doesn't matter what country you live in, they're all like that.

[Athos]

No they are not. My state assemblyman and state Senator have kept their promises.

[Hallow]

Fine, most of them are like that. I shouldn't have said all.

[Athos]

Agreed. Also, just to go on a brief tangent-things are not always what they appear to be. I learned that from an experience with what I read in the newspapers, and from what I hear from an inside source who is credible.

[Hallow]

Well, it's hard to look past stereotypes. I'm not saying that I'm ignorant, I'm just saying that I'm lazy and don't bother to research the subject.

[Athos]

Well, there is your first fallacy. Pick your battles wisely. Still though, like I said, I know nothing about the politics of your country, and you know nothing about the politics about mine (in addition to my local and state governments). It is hard to look past stereotypes, but it is still do able.

Nancy Pelosi said something like, "Republicans 'Like' Iraq War." That's a slap in the face to me. Democrats can stop the Iraq war right now if they wanted to. But will they? I think not.

[Hallow]

The general Canadian belief is that Bush is an idiot. This is wide spread in Canada, and has even become comedy fodder in several shows.

[Athos]

Well, regardless of what people say, I think Bush is a neoconservative. I don't like the "neoconservative persuasion." Look how their attitudes and beliefs in foreign policy have worked thus far. And sadly, Bush was the lesser of two evils (well in '04 anyway).

[Hallow]

Ok. I'll just stear the converstation into a less boring topic.

Do you have any exams coming up? I've heard that a lot of people are getting them. My exams aren't until after Christmas, but I do have some IS's to do.